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Post by hakuryu on Dec 11, 2007 18:51:32 GMT -5
parkinson!! lol Wow, seiyuus ARE amazing  |
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Post by CoolChibi on Jan 17, 2008 16:22:22 GMT -5
Seigaku: Tezuka.HOW COULD HE SLAPED RYOMA!?
Hyotei:Gakuto and Kabaji Are to uglies and hate them xD
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Post by Lovux The Great on Jan 17, 2008 16:43:52 GMT -5
Seigaku: Tezuka.HOW COULD HE SLAPED RYOMA!? Tezuka rocks for that.  Hyotei:Gakuto and Kabaji Are to uglies and hate them xD Oh, so not having a complete bishounen look in your favour is reason enough to hate a character?  |
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Post by Mashou no Tenshi on Jan 17, 2008 17:08:39 GMT -5
Tezuka does not rock anyway, honey. You hate Ryoma and he hasnt even touched Atobe. Imagine if Sakaki randomly slapps him for some stupid reason? Besides just think of the pain I went though *sobs* It was awful >:<
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Post by Lovux The Great on Jan 17, 2008 17:14:06 GMT -5
Imagine if Sakaki randomly slapps him for some stupid reason? Now this is something Lovux wants to see.  I wonder what Atobe's reaction would be like... |
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Post by Mashou no Tenshi on Jan 17, 2008 17:19:36 GMT -5
You sadist! Atobe does respect him, at least as much as Atobe respects anyone.
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Post by Lovux The Great on Jan 17, 2008 17:44:28 GMT -5
Lovux? Sadist? I have no idea what you're talking about.  |
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Post by melichan on Jan 17, 2008 22:07:22 GMT -5
Lol *has absolutely no idea what everyone's talking about XD*
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Post by CoolChibi on Jan 17, 2008 22:24:21 GMT -5
Mashou-Oka-San defende me (Arigatou Oka-San!) Because I said tha I hate Tezuka.And I said HOW HE COULD SLAPED RYOMA!? Lovux-San said that Tezuka rock for that.Oka-San said that Imagine if Sakaki randomly slapps him for some stupid reason? and Lovux-san said Now this is something Lovux wants to see.I wonder what Atobe's reaction would be like...Oka-San said You sadist! Atobe does respect him, at least as much as Atobe respects anyone. Lovux-san said Lovux?
Sadist?
I have no idea what you're talking about.
So that's what we were talking.
And If you didn't understand I don't know how to explain you >:<
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Post by tessa on Jan 17, 2008 22:35:43 GMT -5
...wtf is everyone talking about?
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Post by melichan on Jan 17, 2008 22:43:07 GMT -5
Lol, that's exactly what I'm still wondering tessa ne-san >.<
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Post by Raiden on Jan 18, 2008 10:39:59 GMT -5
Seigaku: Tezuka.HOW COULD HE SLAPED RYOMA!? I have no idea if you're talking about the manga or the anime's American arc, but seriously, Ryoma needs a slap every now and then to snap him out of his most arrogant and disobedient states. ...When Tezu slapped him right before he could have begun to play against Kevin in the American arc, I thought it was justified. Because simply, you do NOT defy the Captain. Ever. Or even the Vice Captain (Sanada is a good example. He slaps everyone, but they still respect him). Because if you defy the Captain and the Captain does nothing, afterwards the whole team will think the Captain allows them to do anything and they go completely out of control. Tezuka has some authority in the team, after all... and what else could he do but slap him? ...In that current state Kevin would have beat the hell out of him, considering how bad Akutsu fared. And Ryoma going into depression after losing is something Tezu does not want, now does he? A slap that hurts his feelings is a LOT better than what he would've been like after losing to Kevin. |
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Post by Mashou no Tenshi on Jan 18, 2008 16:23:19 GMT -5
Sorry, but I dont think he has the authority to say to someone what the should or shouldnt do in their private time.
That is something I hate about Tezuka and not even becuase he hit Ryoma. He has this type of proud actitude that most people thing is so cool and nice. He is rightgeous and puts his own morals and thought in a position where no one is as right as him. His values or common sense arent any better than the rest of the world, or at least no human being should think himself in title of hitting someone else for having different proirites or way of seing the world. He has a superiority complex that puts Atobe and Ryoma like spoiled childs. He thinks he is right. Ryoam doesnt think he is right. He thinks he is better AT TENNIS people. He doest force his morals on other people, nor does Atobe.
Atobe as a buchou doesnt say: "I am a noble guy and the right thing to do is always what I say"
I wont deny Tezuka does have the right set of values TO ME most of the time, but putting yourself in that position where you feel in title to hit a KID who is two years YOUNGER, who is SUFFERING becuase he cant do what he loves to do just because you THINK he is wrong is plain disgusting to me. Everyone can live to his own way if he doesnt hurt others. Adn VIOLENCE is not a way to earn respect. You earn respect being there, leading, but LEADING or being the fckn PILLAR OF SUPPORT does NOT mean ytou are GOD and your values are better. And I belive Tezuka is too convinced he is RIGHT and has the RIGHT approach to things.
That is another reason I hate Rikkaidai. SLAPPING your players is not respect, you earn respect working with them, leading them- But leading is also caring and that is when the fillers can go to hell. Tezuka does usually care. Atobe undeniably cares. I dont say Sanada doesnt or even Yukimura, before you all bite me. I say you can not have a pole up your arse and dont hit people and still lead them. When someone looks up to me I feel proud and warm, but I also feel the responsability to be right for that pwerson, to take care. AND HITTING IS NOT CARING AND VIOLENCE IS NOT THE WAY TOWARDS RESPECT. I will NEVER EVER forgive that slap- THAT IS NOT WAHT A LEADER IS TO ME.
Loving Ryoma or not he is a KID. A lost kid at that point who looks up to Tezuka but needs some AFFECTION. And that is what Seigaku is all about, winning TOGETHER, fighting TOGETHER and not just lead by some GOD OF RIGHTEGEOUSNESS.
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Post by Raiden on Jan 18, 2008 17:05:42 GMT -5
...Right. You have valid points. ...But the thing is, it was anime, a filler arc and wasn't thus canon in the sense that Konomi didn't create it. So in canon Tezu has never slapped him.
...But imagine what Ryoma would've been like if he had lost to Kevin right then and there. ...All "Why did I lose? I was supposed to win. Blah blah blah.". He would've probably left Seigaku at that point like Momo did after losing in the intraschool matches. And see what Momo's disappearance did... Tezu probably knew what would happen if RYOMA left. Besides, if he is supposed to be the next Pillar of Seigaku, he also needs to know how to listen to other people and not just do as he wants. Since people can't ALWAYS do as they want... for example they might end up hurting someone, or other things like that. A good example of not being able to do what one wants is Tezu not being able to play because of his injured arm.
And yes, Ryo is a kid. A 12-year-old. But come on, I was slapped by my parents at that age for disobeying, too (my Mom sometimes even pulled my hair). She does that nowadays, too. But most of the time we just scream at each other.
And I just discovered this comment on Youtube:
(So, Tezu slapped him to bring him back to his senses... I think we all need a slap to bring us back to reality sometimes. ...Bane and David, hello?)
And one important point: Tezu did not slap him to hurt him. There is a very obvious difference between slapping to hurt and slapping to make him get a grip on himself.
(And honestly, slapping doesn't really hurt. I was slapped by a guy once. ...And it didn't even shock me that much, considering we hated each other. The shock that there actually WAS... it was mainly about "I can't believe he actually slapped me like a girl would...". xD Everyone who saw that laughed at the scene and said that he 'had slapped me like a girl'. He had to suffer from that quite long. ...And for some reason I began to smile right after he slapped me.)
PS. But OK, I admit I would've accepted the slap more easily if coach Ryuuzaki had slapped him instead. It would've been justified then... since acting disrespectful towards your elders is a direct violation of some of the most important Japanese traditions = Samurai code of Bushido, which has been integrated into ordinary Japanese life.
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And I think Tezu's attitude is justified, because most of the time he IS right. And at least he is the right kind of Captain, able to sacrifice something very important to him to help his teammates (arm thing). ...I just wonder if any other Seigaku member was able to do that? Well, Ryo maybe, but not in this current 12-year-old arrogant and emotionless phase (after a few years he will probably act just like Tezu did... considering their personalities are alike already).
And I can't help but wonder why Tezu was so nice when he was 12 years old... I mean, he was able to smile back then. And he was more open. What on Earth could have changed him into the emotionless guy he is now? ...The fact that Yamato appointed him the next Captain and the duties that followed with it?
And one thing Tezu was totally right about... "You do NOT use rackets to hurt other people.". I hate tennis players who use their rackets to hurt. >.< Tezu is like a dove of peace compared to them.
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Post by Mashou no Tenshi on Jan 18, 2008 19:05:22 GMT -5
Well, the thing is the slap was as canon as Ryoma losing his fighting spirit is. So we either analize things accpeting it "happened" or we just leave the discussion. I mean it isnt that I dont understand your point. I really do (Besides, you make and excellent debate partner) And I really dont want you to thing I am only saying this things because I love Ryoma. Or at least I am not some unrational fangirl when it comes to this things. My love for him is based in his looks as much as his actitude and I dont say he is perfect. He is my favourite character like he is, with all those little things I know are wrong with him.
I get what you say about Ryoma losing to Kevin. But I dont think Ryoma would EVER leave the team. Not for a thing like that. At that point of canon he does love those guys and has a team. He is not the same kid that his oyaji makes compete and has just arrived. He is a Seigaku member as much as Tezuka and WANTS TO BE THE FCKN PILLAR OF SUPPORT.
(Slapping can hurt. And I am not even refering to the actual phisical hurt. Emotional hurt and HUMILLATION count for me. And psycological is still violence. Ryoma is so proud you know that has hurten him deeply)
And let me tell you something, as much as I love Ryoma and suffer when he suffers when he looses is the best way he reconnects. I only want Ryoma to win when he is giving his all to it and DESERVES to win, not when he is crazy and acting like the kid he is.
So agreed, a slap from Ryuuzaki would have been more appropiate. Tezuka is still a KID too, you know.
And I get the whole Tezuka is right most of the time, I told you. And I know he cares, but that kind of leadership is not my kind of leadership. Ryoma is nowadays able to give anything for Seigaku, maybe not as easily as tezuka but the all have this self sacrifice thing, if not you are not a Seigaku member. An Ryoma is ready to take the pillar from Tezuka just like he said so himself.
I think that is the thing I hate the most about him, what I told you about thinking he is "more right" than the rest of the world and dont accpetiong other set of values (and I dont mean racket hitting, I am not for violence) amd the way he think leadership equals the less expressive, and taking the responsability alone and being kind of stoneish. It has taken me a lot time to understand it, but from the deepest part of my heart I can assure you leader CAN SHARE THE BURDDENS. And smiling and laughing and being less serious is impotant too.
I guess I dont like Tezuka becuase he is everything I could have been and try so hard not to be (and I dont mean good at tennis) but a person who doesnt share his saddenes, who hides his warmest feelings and cant really be a little not serious. I take things TOO seriously and I suffer so much, so its always important to have a way of not stiffing yourself.
And I tend to base my opinions on fiction on my opinions on real life, I mean I have personal and really emotional reason to like or dislike a character. But thats just me...
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